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opened 2025-11-02 07:15:05 -06:00 by GiteaMirror · 24 comments
GiteaMirror commented 2025-11-02 07:15:05 -06:00
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Originally created by @markburgessstl on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021).

  • Gitea version: 1.14.0-rc2 (gitea-1.14.0-rc2-windows-4.0-amd64.exe download)
  • Git version: 2.7
  • Operating system: Windows Server 2008 R2
  • Database: SQLite

Gitea does not start up when running as a Windows service. "The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion" . I have set the registry option ServicesPipeTimeout to 240000 which is 4 minutes. The gitea.exe process can be seen in the task manager, but it eventually dies.

Running gitea web, it starts up just fine.
Version 1.13.6 starts up fine as a service on the same machine.

gitea.log.txt
app.ini.txt

Originally created by @markburgessstl on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021). - Gitea version: 1.14.0-rc2 (gitea-1.14.0-rc2-windows-4.0-amd64.exe download) - Git version: 2.7 - Operating system: Windows Server 2008 R2 - Database: SQLite Gitea does not start up when running as a Windows service. "The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion" . I have set the registry option ServicesPipeTimeout to 240000 which is 4 minutes. The gitea.exe process can be seen in the task manager, but it eventually dies. Running gitea web, it starts up just fine. Version 1.13.6 starts up fine as a service on the same machine. [gitea.log.txt](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/files/6206765/gitea.log.txt) [app.ini.txt](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/files/6206759/app.ini.txt)
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021):

To avoid duplicating issues, I will append to this ticket.

A coworker and I are also encountering this same issue in pretty much the exact same manner as @markburgessstl here and #15134. We attempted to follow the recommended "gitea migrate" commandlet metioned in #15134 but to no avail.

Log:

2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...dules/setting/log.go:333:newLogService() [I] Gitea Log Mode: File(File:debug)
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...dules/setting/log.go:250:generateNamedLogger() [I] Router Log: Console(console:debug)
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/setting/cache.go:73:newCacheService() [I] Cache Service Enabled
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/setting/cache.go:88:newCacheService() [I] Last Commit Cache Service Enabled
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/setting/session.go:77:newSessionService() [I] Session Service Enabled
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...es/setting/mailer.go:109:newMailService() [I] Mail Service Enabled
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...es/setting/mailer.go:131:newNotifyMailService() [I] Notify Mail Service Enabled
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:151:initAttachments() [I] Initialising Attachment storage with type: 
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:\Gitea\data\attachments
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:145:initAvatars() [I] Initialising Avatar storage with type: 
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:\Gitea\data\avatars
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:163:initRepoAvatars() [I] Initialising Repository Avatar storage with type: 
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:\Gitea\data\repo-avatars
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:157:initLFS() [I] Initialising LFS storage with type: 
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:/Gitea/data/lfs
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ueue_disk_channel.go:137:Run() [D] PersistableChannelQueue: push_update Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: push_update-level Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ueue_disk_channel.go:137:Run() [D] PersistableChannelQueue: mail Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: mail-level Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:54 routers/init.go:150:GlobalInit() [I] SQLite3 Supported
2021/03/25 12:35:54 routers/init.go:68:initDBEngine() [I] Beginning ORM engine initialization.
2021/03/25 12:35:54 routers/init.go:75:initDBEngine() [I] ORM engine initialization attempt #1/10...
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ueue_disk_channel.go:137:Run() [D] PersistableChannelQueue: notification-service Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...rm/session_schema.go:25:Ping() [I] PING DATABASE postgres
2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: notification-service-level Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:55 ...rm/session_schema.go:360:Sync2() [W] Table user Column max_repo_creation db default is '-1', struct default is -1
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...rm/session_schema.go:431:Sync2() [W] Table session has column created_unix but struct has not related field
2021/03/25 12:35:56 routers/init.go:155:GlobalInit() [I] ORM engine initialization successful!
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: update_mirrors
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: repo_health_check
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: check_repo_stats
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: archive_cleanup
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: sync_external_users
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: deleted_branches_cleanup
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: update_migration_poster_id
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: cleanup_hook_task_table
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_inactive_accounts
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_repo_archives
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: git_gc_repos
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: resync_all_sshkeys
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: resync_all_sshprincipals
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: resync_all_hooks
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: reinit_missing_repos
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_missing_repos
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_generated_repository_avatars
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...i/websspi_windows.go:87:New() [I] Credential handle expiry: 2185-07-20 12:34:33.712009116 -0600 CST
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...er/issues/indexer.go:142:func2() [I] PID 764: Initializing Issue Indexer: bleve
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...er/issues/indexer.go:221:func3() [I] Issue Indexer Initialization took 109.3727ms
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...xer/stats/indexer.go:84:populateRepoIndexer() [I] Done (re)populating the repo stats indexer with existing repositories
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: issue_indexer Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] unique-level: repo_stats_update-level Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] unique-level: pr_patch_checker-level Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: task-level Starting
2021/03/25 12:35:57 cmd/web.go:189:listen() [I] Listen: http://0.0.0.0:3000
2021/03/25 12:35:57 cmd/web.go:192:listen() [I] LFS server enabled
2021/03/25 12:35:57 ...s/graceful/server.go:55:NewServer() [I] Starting new Web server: tcp:0.0.0.0:3000 on PID: 764
2021/03/25 12:35:57 ...s/graceful/server.go:66:func1() [D] Starting server on tcp:0.0.0.0:3000 (PID: 764)

This is running on a Windows Server 2016 machine. We are trying to fix our original problem see in #14167.

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021): To avoid duplicating issues, I will append to this ticket. A coworker and I are also encountering this same issue in pretty much the exact same manner as @markburgessstl here and #15134. We attempted to follow the recommended "gitea migrate" commandlet metioned in #15134 but to no avail. **Log:** ``` 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...dules/setting/log.go:333:newLogService() [I] Gitea Log Mode: File(File:debug) 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...dules/setting/log.go:250:generateNamedLogger() [I] Router Log: Console(console:debug) 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/setting/cache.go:73:newCacheService() [I] Cache Service Enabled 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/setting/cache.go:88:newCacheService() [I] Last Commit Cache Service Enabled 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/setting/session.go:77:newSessionService() [I] Session Service Enabled 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...es/setting/mailer.go:109:newMailService() [I] Mail Service Enabled 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...es/setting/mailer.go:131:newNotifyMailService() [I] Notify Mail Service Enabled 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:151:initAttachments() [I] Initialising Attachment storage with type: 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:\Gitea\data\attachments 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:145:initAvatars() [I] Initialising Avatar storage with type: 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:\Gitea\data\avatars 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:163:initRepoAvatars() [I] Initialising Repository Avatar storage with type: 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:\Gitea\data\repo-avatars 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...s/storage/storage.go:157:initLFS() [I] Initialising LFS storage with type: 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...les/storage/local.go:47:NewLocalStorage() [I] Creating new Local Storage at C:/Gitea/data/lfs 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ueue_disk_channel.go:137:Run() [D] PersistableChannelQueue: push_update Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: push_update-level Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ueue_disk_channel.go:137:Run() [D] PersistableChannelQueue: mail Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: mail-level Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:54 routers/init.go:150:GlobalInit() [I] SQLite3 Supported 2021/03/25 12:35:54 routers/init.go:68:initDBEngine() [I] Beginning ORM engine initialization. 2021/03/25 12:35:54 routers/init.go:75:initDBEngine() [I] ORM engine initialization attempt #1/10... 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ueue_disk_channel.go:137:Run() [D] PersistableChannelQueue: notification-service Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...rm/session_schema.go:25:Ping() [I] PING DATABASE postgres 2021/03/25 12:35:54 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: notification-service-level Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:55 ...rm/session_schema.go:360:Sync2() [W] Table user Column max_repo_creation db default is '-1', struct default is -1 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...rm/session_schema.go:431:Sync2() [W] Table session has column created_unix but struct has not related field 2021/03/25 12:35:56 routers/init.go:155:GlobalInit() [I] ORM engine initialization successful! 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: update_mirrors 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: repo_health_check 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: check_repo_stats 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: archive_cleanup 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: sync_external_users 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: deleted_branches_cleanup 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: update_migration_poster_id 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: cleanup_hook_task_table 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_inactive_accounts 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_repo_archives 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: git_gc_repos 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: resync_all_sshkeys 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: resync_all_sshprincipals 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: resync_all_hooks 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: reinit_missing_repos 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_missing_repos 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...odules/cron/tasks.go:120:RegisterTask() [D] Registering task: delete_generated_repository_avatars 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...i/websspi_windows.go:87:New() [I] Credential handle expiry: 2185-07-20 12:34:33.712009116 -0600 CST 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...er/issues/indexer.go:142:func2() [I] PID 764: Initializing Issue Indexer: bleve 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...er/issues/indexer.go:221:func3() [I] Issue Indexer Initialization took 109.3727ms 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...xer/stats/indexer.go:84:populateRepoIndexer() [I] Done (re)populating the repo stats indexer with existing repositories 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: issue_indexer Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] unique-level: repo_stats_update-level Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] unique-level: pr_patch_checker-level Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:56 ...ue/queue_bytefifo.go:96:Run() [D] level: task-level Starting 2021/03/25 12:35:57 cmd/web.go:189:listen() [I] Listen: http://0.0.0.0:3000 2021/03/25 12:35:57 cmd/web.go:192:listen() [I] LFS server enabled 2021/03/25 12:35:57 ...s/graceful/server.go:55:NewServer() [I] Starting new Web server: tcp:0.0.0.0:3000 on PID: 764 2021/03/25 12:35:57 ...s/graceful/server.go:66:func1() [D] Starting server on tcp:0.0.0.0:3000 (PID: 764) ``` This is running on a Windows Server 2016 machine. We are trying to fix our original problem see in #14167.
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021):

hmm... This is very strange... just testing on linux here I can't see a reason why the SVC manager isn't being informed of a successful startup correctly.

I guess it might be reasonable to set:

[server]
...
STARTUP_TIMEOUT=30s

and see if that improves things - but it doesn't look like there is a significant delay in the startup so it may simply delay the problem for 30 seconds.

Are you able to compile gitea? If so it may be reasonable to add some logging in to the SVC handler.

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021): hmm... This is very strange... just testing on linux here I can't see a reason why the SVC manager isn't being informed of a successful startup correctly. I guess it might be reasonable to set: ```ini [server] ... STARTUP_TIMEOUT=30s ``` and see if that improves things - but it doesn't look like there is a significant delay in the startup so it may simply delay the problem for 30 seconds. Are you able to compile gitea? If so it may be reasonable to add some logging in to the SVC handler.
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@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021):

hmm... This is very strange... just testing on linux here I can't see a reason why the SVC manager isn't being informed of a successful startup correctly.

I guess it might be reasonable to set:

[server]
...
STARTUP_TIMEOUT=30s

and see if that improves things - but it doesn't look like there is a significant delay in the startup so it may simply delay the problem for 30 seconds.

Are you able to compile gitea? If so it may be reasonable to add some logging in to the SVC handler.

I tried the STARTUP_TIMEOUT but it didn't make any difference.
Unfortunately I can't compile Gitea on Windows

@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021): > hmm... This is very strange... just testing on linux here I can't see a reason why the SVC manager isn't being informed of a successful startup correctly. > > I guess it might be reasonable to set: > > ```ini > [server] > ... > STARTUP_TIMEOUT=30s > ``` > > and see if that improves things - but it doesn't look like there is a significant delay in the startup so it may simply delay the problem for 30 seconds. > > Are you able to compile gitea? If so it may be reasonable to add some logging in to the SVC handler. I tried the STARTUP_TIMEOUT but it didn't make any difference. Unfortunately I can't compile Gitea on Windows
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021):

Fine:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe

Is a build of:

https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/compare/release/v1.14...zeripath:logging-for-15159?expand=1

Using:

make release-windows

It should match the detached signature:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe.asc

which I will copy below:

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Which is signed by my gpg key attached this account (and elsewhere) and can be obtained from:

https://github.com/zeripath.gpg

If you do not wish to check the signature. The file should have the sha256sum:

63f24650b75a9ef8365c5d238b663d5551fe10b053b765b476ca1e557fb0a44d
@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 25, 2021): Fine: https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe Is a build of: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/compare/release/v1.14...zeripath:logging-for-15159?expand=1 Using: `make release-windows` It should match the detached signature: https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe.asc which I will copy below: ``` -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE0s922pXyAemQFTKrPN50Yx8Tp0gFAmBdAwIACgkQPN50Yx8T p0jOgRAAgqoYelsheDd+J7xSv7x6yU9V3SRjl1x6c5GEIDb3xD4c+JroWVXUjSHx mF34Wt6+rWZVopSmja6J8juE4VgDgwwcisaEBiq0JkXFaZIMgZKtr6TM95hmwcCZ 7rd2pBcg0JxMPcSRKaN0EJ2IswKZtru7kV+FtdxGK2SnmcG6fsAggL+9CedTMlgI 4nHVnWaXzLQNrE/w36hhF65QmLQDTzUla7DXWb8SKEhX9cEGo1ON4gIvk29nSK/e 2GvWYMZU+T3p/q7EDQXLa5NghBdt+L56bfPEkYTA2cJhCu7Z65EHfr9ylENcDDAB PjCK7OUf/oZwhOd3Ty0ovYctOaKEcFMWe1TlaSHYT45XixNpYbIVOZNXPsvvt3HY HNcf8Cqqn8sxCkkOCpGRrs9HS+COT52kTYHrCy8eqVR79QBvbNlbPueh/MAKY4Cg 7kebShNfXmsDH2d/2Ni+nsW61JOT8Dg+gK8gweXPJCKcjOIA2LT2uB5Fr3SyREgF WknzJjD4EyiTegqo9IphtKGoGx83HUUkvHqZJ+oPYjP8jeXYlTxkOn6MHEx+6nMD GEISrSx2uuIBfV67dVVRFgvC2fdFxlgh+OB4YmZQ2mIA1Ebl/O+89Fga0tK/8t6m CMDzoO6rmmY5a1HnRmpe8a+KHViLK8J+P92SH99nhOTqE5NENcQ= =e9GE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ``` Which is signed by my gpg key attached this account (and elsewhere) and can be obtained from: https://github.com/zeripath.gpg If you do not wish to check the signature. The file should have the sha256sum: ``` 63f24650b75a9ef8365c5d238b663d5551fe10b053b765b476ca1e557fb0a44d ```
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021):

Fine:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe

Is a build of:

https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/compare/release/v1.14...zeripath:logging-for-15159?expand=1

Using:

make release-windows

It should match the detached signature:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe.asc

which I will copy below:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE0s922pXyAemQFTKrPN50Yx8Tp0gFAmBdAwIACgkQPN50Yx8T
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Which is signed by my gpg key attached this account (and elsewhere) and can be obtained from:

https://github.com/zeripath.gpg

If you do not wish to check the signature. The file should have the sha256sum:

63f24650b75a9ef8365c5d238b663d5551fe10b053b765b476ca1e557fb0a44d

Fine:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe

Is a build of:

https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/compare/release/v1.14...zeripath:logging-for-15159?expand=1

Using:

make release-windows

It should match the detached signature:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe.asc

which I will copy below:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE0s922pXyAemQFTKrPN50Yx8Tp0gFAmBdAwIACgkQPN50Yx8T
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CMDzoO6rmmY5a1HnRmpe8a+KHViLK8J+P92SH99nhOTqE5NENcQ=
=e9GE
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Which is signed by my gpg key attached this account (and elsewhere) and can be obtained from:

https://github.com/zeripath.gpg

If you do not wish to check the signature. The file should have the sha256sum:

63f24650b75a9ef8365c5d238b663d5551fe10b053b765b476ca1e557fb0a44d

Awesome, thanks for the work. We will try this tomorrow morning and give you feedback (and logs) on what happens if there is no change.

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021): > Fine: > > https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe > > Is a build of: > > https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/compare/release/v1.14...zeripath:logging-for-15159?expand=1 > > Using: > > `make release-windows` > > It should match the detached signature: > > https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe.asc > > which I will copy below: > > ``` > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE0s922pXyAemQFTKrPN50Yx8Tp0gFAmBdAwIACgkQPN50Yx8T > p0jOgRAAgqoYelsheDd+J7xSv7x6yU9V3SRjl1x6c5GEIDb3xD4c+JroWVXUjSHx > mF34Wt6+rWZVopSmja6J8juE4VgDgwwcisaEBiq0JkXFaZIMgZKtr6TM95hmwcCZ > 7rd2pBcg0JxMPcSRKaN0EJ2IswKZtru7kV+FtdxGK2SnmcG6fsAggL+9CedTMlgI > 4nHVnWaXzLQNrE/w36hhF65QmLQDTzUla7DXWb8SKEhX9cEGo1ON4gIvk29nSK/e > 2GvWYMZU+T3p/q7EDQXLa5NghBdt+L56bfPEkYTA2cJhCu7Z65EHfr9ylENcDDAB > PjCK7OUf/oZwhOd3Ty0ovYctOaKEcFMWe1TlaSHYT45XixNpYbIVOZNXPsvvt3HY > HNcf8Cqqn8sxCkkOCpGRrs9HS+COT52kTYHrCy8eqVR79QBvbNlbPueh/MAKY4Cg > 7kebShNfXmsDH2d/2Ni+nsW61JOT8Dg+gK8gweXPJCKcjOIA2LT2uB5Fr3SyREgF > WknzJjD4EyiTegqo9IphtKGoGx83HUUkvHqZJ+oPYjP8jeXYlTxkOn6MHEx+6nMD > GEISrSx2uuIBfV67dVVRFgvC2fdFxlgh+OB4YmZQ2mIA1Ebl/O+89Fga0tK/8t6m > CMDzoO6rmmY5a1HnRmpe8a+KHViLK8J+P92SH99nhOTqE5NENcQ= > =e9GE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ``` > > Which is signed by my gpg key attached this account (and elsewhere) and can be obtained from: > > https://github.com/zeripath.gpg > > If you do not wish to check the signature. The file should have the sha256sum: > > ``` > 63f24650b75a9ef8365c5d238b663d5551fe10b053b765b476ca1e557fb0a44d > ``` > Fine: > > https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe > > Is a build of: > > https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/compare/release/v1.14...zeripath:logging-for-15159?expand=1 > > Using: > > `make release-windows` > > It should match the detached signature: > > https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-915748a93-windows-4.0-amd64.exe.asc > > which I will copy below: > > ``` > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE0s922pXyAemQFTKrPN50Yx8Tp0gFAmBdAwIACgkQPN50Yx8T > p0jOgRAAgqoYelsheDd+J7xSv7x6yU9V3SRjl1x6c5GEIDb3xD4c+JroWVXUjSHx > mF34Wt6+rWZVopSmja6J8juE4VgDgwwcisaEBiq0JkXFaZIMgZKtr6TM95hmwcCZ > 7rd2pBcg0JxMPcSRKaN0EJ2IswKZtru7kV+FtdxGK2SnmcG6fsAggL+9CedTMlgI > 4nHVnWaXzLQNrE/w36hhF65QmLQDTzUla7DXWb8SKEhX9cEGo1ON4gIvk29nSK/e > 2GvWYMZU+T3p/q7EDQXLa5NghBdt+L56bfPEkYTA2cJhCu7Z65EHfr9ylENcDDAB > PjCK7OUf/oZwhOd3Ty0ovYctOaKEcFMWe1TlaSHYT45XixNpYbIVOZNXPsvvt3HY > HNcf8Cqqn8sxCkkOCpGRrs9HS+COT52kTYHrCy8eqVR79QBvbNlbPueh/MAKY4Cg > 7kebShNfXmsDH2d/2Ni+nsW61JOT8Dg+gK8gweXPJCKcjOIA2LT2uB5Fr3SyREgF > WknzJjD4EyiTegqo9IphtKGoGx83HUUkvHqZJ+oPYjP8jeXYlTxkOn6MHEx+6nMD > GEISrSx2uuIBfV67dVVRFgvC2fdFxlgh+OB4YmZQ2mIA1Ebl/O+89Fga0tK/8t6m > CMDzoO6rmmY5a1HnRmpe8a+KHViLK8J+P92SH99nhOTqE5NENcQ= > =e9GE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ``` > > Which is signed by my gpg key attached this account (and elsewhere) and can be obtained from: > > https://github.com/zeripath.gpg > > If you do not wish to check the signature. The file should have the sha256sum: > > ``` > 63f24650b75a9ef8365c5d238b663d5551fe10b053b765b476ca1e557fb0a44d > ``` Awesome, thanks for the work. We will try this tomorrow morning and give you feedback (and logs) on what happens if there is no change.
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@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021):

zeripath, thank you for the special build. I ran it this morning, and as expected it timed out after a few minutes. The log is attached.
gitea.log.txt

@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021): zeripath, thank you for the special build. I ran it this morning, and as expected it timed out after a few minutes. The log is attached. [gitea.log.txt](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/files/6210764/gitea.log.txt)
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021):

Our log as well:

gitea.log

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021): Our log as well: [gitea.log](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/files/6212276/gitea.log)
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021):

I can't see any log line saying starting SVC handler there and there should be 4 inform cleanups called but it looks like there's only two.

This is weird and I am suspicious that something has unhitched this functionality - which is great because I don't completely remember how I got it wired in in the first place and I can't test it myself.

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 26, 2021): I can't see any log line saying starting SVC handler there and there should be 4 inform cleanups called but it looks like there's only two. This is weird and I am suspicious that something has unhitched this functionality - which is great because I don't completely remember how I got it wired in in the first place and I can't test it myself.
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 29, 2021):

Ok, no worries. For now, I can just start Gitea manually if needed since it runs fine from the command line (just not as a service). Let me know if you, or any other contributor/maintainer needs any more details from my side.

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 29, 2021): Ok, no worries. For now, I can just start Gitea manually if needed since it runs fine from the command line (just not as a service). Let me know if you, or any other contributor/maintainer needs any more details from my side.
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 29, 2021):

OK

lets try:

https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-e5e9c67a03f4-windows-4.0-amd64.exe

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=9SVC
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sha256sum:

fd9042e5b0359e742020ab4e70d2facd4b0c9169aaa479b70965693c6c49fd5c  gitea-e5e9c67a03f4-windows-4.0-amd64.exe

This adds some more logging

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 29, 2021): OK lets try: https://eldritchkitty.com/~andrew/gitea-e5e9c67a03f4-windows-4.0-amd64.exe ``` -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE0s922pXyAemQFTKrPN50Yx8Tp0gFAmBiRqoACgkQPN50Yx8T p0jaLg/+Lxorpz5s+U5Drtt1spCFm+6PwJWDn4sas07X8UWSr8Auw72zwh6t9tEe shndgJgHqorI0J6bJrrXZDzYGWGZDg7TM3SJbWgrxQFKb2DoTwpn2QqlFaFntr4I C/mOsSZbA/DIkOphaeDrKinXPI/CT0NWRMUYzJFynsT79pWLPYzMYXAheRNmIXyw xp6ulZQdOOdI+DuobaiOEyAqH8lAmQ1T29jWOmVxqzUoOEf0DXwHKdvGIH3FtaVp ws2mOlTeyzolASY3+Qt6z26SrpP60xFzrQdKouBapflaaLXL/2rEdQKUXgoY4nwB 8h5WqOJ5Vcz88aWfRM7YHmUMIG76IVZlMOj7xOH2rmWlEeUHDtB+Np+0PreUsgvu M29Fx/kFdynHqlFMt3IJzgywSNIp2d3nHKLGtII6v+aH0uxbWqMISOmme0ySKf4L ZLV+1iA863w5A5aCkDHxDzBNjUpgDIWkHoOJj3o2erqAyumQvzJFZ1PtTa3zswMj 1gwm/LNrKN1WOt3NqpVQriNEexxSjiNH2aaQkV81km6Z7m5tTPSPjVEoQp5IZoYm wbtD45SjvXtZI5Z8hzeElR+NQWg/cLflS3qfSuBPrFVxBdD6M2+ilDnTJz+Sm/95 pNoHcfjbApN12pV+dV1c7UCBpIHFjhpk902EOJr9iOBidwEoRxY= =9SVC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ``` sha256sum: ``` fd9042e5b0359e742020ab4e70d2facd4b0c9169aaa479b70965693c6c49fd5c gitea-e5e9c67a03f4-windows-4.0-amd64.exe ``` This adds some more logging
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@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 29, 2021):

gitea.log

Here's my log. I tried three times to start the service.

Windows thinks the service is "starting" or "START_PENDING"

Thank you!

@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 29, 2021): [gitea.log](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/files/6225014/gitea.log) Here's my log. I tried three times to start the service. Windows thinks the service is "starting" or "START_PENDING" Thank you!
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

Please could you set LOG_SQL=false in the [database] section of your app.ini . Logging SQL statements is way too noisy and irrelevant to this problem.

This time it looks like we're getting the inform cleanups but I'm not seeing the new logging statements I put in.

In particular I should see something like Graceful manager starting up logged at error level.

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): Please could you set `LOG_SQL=false` in the `[database]` section of your app.ini . Logging SQL statements is way too noisy and irrelevant to this problem. This time it looks like we're getting the inform cleanups but I'm not seeing the new logging statements I put in. In particular I should see something like Graceful manager starting up logged at error level.
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

But...

I do see this:

2021/03/29 17:33:30 ...l/manager_windows.go:109:Execute() [I] sending running status
2021/03/29 17:33:30 ...l/manager_windows.go:117:Execute() [I] sent running status

That means that gitea does think it's telling the SVC host it's running.

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): But... I do see this: ``` 2021/03/29 17:33:30 ...l/manager_windows.go:109:Execute() [I] sending running status 2021/03/29 17:33:30 ...l/manager_windows.go:117:Execute() [I] sent running status ``` That means that gitea does think it's telling the SVC host it's running.
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@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

Yes, it thinks that but that's not happening.
Let me know if you need more logs or anything else to help get to the bottom of it

@markburgessstl commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): Yes, it thinks that but that's not happening. Let me know if you need more logs or anything else to help get to the bottom of it
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

@zeripath Here is our log file. We also had no luck with this exe, but thank you again for your work in helping solve this!

We are running Gitea on a Windows Server 2016 machine, just as a reminder.
gitea.log

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): @zeripath Here is our log file. We also had no luck with this exe, but thank you again for your work in helping solve this! We are running Gitea on a Windows Server 2016 machine, just as a reminder. [gitea.log](https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/files/6230234/gitea20210330.log)
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

My apologies, Windows Server 2019*.

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): My apologies, Windows Server 2019*.
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

agh! I think I've found the issue!

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): agh! I think I've found the issue!
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

f5b6dc9759/modules/graceful/manager_windows.go (L76-L81)

The IsInteractive should be IsWindowsService and should therefore be on line 81 !isInteractive

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/blob/f5b6dc9759e8077f76072dbb01586f9876ccafbf/modules/graceful/manager_windows.go#L76-L81 The `IsInteractive` should be `IsWindowsService` and should therefore be on line 81 `!isInteractive`
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

This is a regression from #14263

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): This is a regression from #14263
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

Excellent work, thank you very much for the PR!

To prevent this issue in the future, could we add a test to ensure the server will run as a service? I'm not a Go developer nor do I know your/the team's environment, so I don't know how feasible this would be. I know Github has Actions, so could it be done there?

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): Excellent work, thank you very much for the PR! To prevent this issue in the future, could we add a test to ensure the server will run as a service? I'm not a Go developer nor do I know your/the team's environment, so I don't know how feasible this would be. I know Github has Actions, so could it be done there?
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@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021):

We don't run tests on Windows - Windows isn't free - and I'm not certain of how we would test this reliably as in almost all testing scenarios you wouldn't actually have the thing attach to the SVC host anyway.

The particular bug is unlikely to be replicated in any case.

All I can say is that we need people to test the RCs like you have done, bear with us if we find problems, and help us with logging etc. This isn't that different from any other debugging situation.

@zeripath commented on GitHub (Mar 30, 2021): We don't run tests on Windows - Windows isn't free - and I'm not certain of how we would test this reliably as in almost all testing scenarios you wouldn't actually have the thing attach to the SVC host anyway. The particular bug is unlikely to be replicated in any case. All I can say is that we need people to test the RCs like you have done, bear with us if we find problems, and help us with logging etc. This isn't that different from any other debugging situation.
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 31, 2021):

Understandable.

I looked more into GitHub Actions as I was going to counter with that, but it doesn't yet allow services on Windows nor MacOS, only Linux. Regardless, thought I'd give it a shot!

Thanks for the clarification.

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 31, 2021): Understandable. I looked more into GitHub Actions as I was going to counter with that, but it doesn't yet allow services on Windows nor MacOS, only Linux. Regardless, thought I'd give it a shot! Thanks for the clarification.
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@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 31, 2021):

Hey, since this is now closed, can @markburgessstl and I get a built exe with these changes just to cover us until the official release? Thanks.

@JulianOrteil commented on GitHub (Mar 31, 2021): Hey, since this is now closed, can @markburgessstl and I get a built exe with these changes just to cover us until the official release? Thanks.
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@jolheiser commented on GitHub (Mar 31, 2021):

Once the build is done, it should be available (for 1.14) at https://dl.gitea.io/gitea/1.14

@jolheiser commented on GitHub (Mar 31, 2021): Once the [build](https://drone.gitea.io/go-gitea/gitea/37744) is done, it should be available (for 1.14) at https://dl.gitea.io/gitea/1.14
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