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[GH-ISSUE #24401] issue: KV cache invalidation with dynamic variables in system prompt #74891

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opened 2026-05-13 07:44:13 -05:00 by GiteaMirror · 2 comments
GiteaMirror commented 2026-05-13 07:44:13 -05:00
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Originally created by @FrederikDeVree on GitHub (May 6, 2026).
Original GitHub issue: https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/24401

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  • I am using the latest version of Open WebUI.

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v0.9.2

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Ubuntu 24.04

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  • I have read and followed all instructions in README.md.
  • I am using the latest version of both Open WebUI and Ollama.
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  • I have provided every relevant configuration, setting, and environment variable used in my setup.
  • I have clearly listed every relevant configuration, custom setting, environment variable, and command-line option that influences my setup (such as Docker Compose overrides, .env values, browser settings, authentication configurations, etc).
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  • Ensure any reasonably skilled user can follow and hit the same issue.

Expected Behavior

When including {{CURRENT_DATETIME}} in the system prompt, this is determined at the start of the conversation. When I continue the continue conversation the dynamic variables aren't recalculated, because this causes KV Cache invalidation (I'm using vLLM with --enable-prefix-caching), thus making every subsequent message in a conversation with a long context as slow as the first (in a case you've fed the model a long document).

Actual Behavior

The dynamic variables are recalculated for every turn in the conversation.

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Additional Information

payload.py
I've had Claude add a cache, this resolves the issue. I'm not making a PR because I'm not sure if this behaviour is what's wanted.

Originally created by @FrederikDeVree on GitHub (May 6, 2026). Original GitHub issue: https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/24401 ### Check Existing Issues - [x] I have searched for any existing and/or related issues. - [x] I have searched for any existing and/or related discussions. - [x] I have also searched in the CLOSED issues AND CLOSED discussions and found no related items (your issue might already be addressed on the development branch!). - [x] I am using the latest version of Open WebUI. ### Installation Method Git Clone ### Open WebUI Version v0.9.2 ### Ollama Version (if applicable) _No response_ ### Operating System Ubuntu 24.04 ### Browser (if applicable) _No response_ ### Confirmation - [x] I have read and followed all instructions in `README.md`. - [x] I am using the latest version of **both** Open WebUI and Ollama. - [x] I have included the browser console logs. - [x] I have included the Docker container logs. - [x] I have **provided every relevant configuration, setting, and environment variable used in my setup.** - [x] I have clearly **listed every relevant configuration, custom setting, environment variable, and command-line option that influences my setup** (such as Docker Compose overrides, .env values, browser settings, authentication configurations, etc). - [x] I have documented **step-by-step reproduction instructions that are precise, sequential, and leave nothing to interpretation**. My steps: - Start with the initial platform/version/OS and dependencies used, - Specify exact install/launch/configure commands, - List URLs visited, user input (incl. example values/emails/passwords if needed), - Describe all options and toggles enabled or changed, - Include any files or environmental changes, - Identify the expected and actual result at each stage, - Ensure any reasonably skilled user can follow and hit the same issue. ### Expected Behavior When including {{CURRENT_DATETIME}} in the system prompt, this is determined at the start of the conversation. When I continue the continue conversation the dynamic variables aren't recalculated, because this causes KV Cache invalidation (I'm using vLLM with --enable-prefix-caching), thus making every subsequent message in a conversation with a long context as slow as the first (in a case you've fed the model a long document). ### Actual Behavior The dynamic variables are recalculated for every turn in the conversation. ### Steps to Reproduce - ### Logs & Screenshots - ### Additional Information [payload.py](https://github.com/user-attachments/files/27436311/payload.py) I've had Claude add a cache, this resolves the issue. I'm not making a PR because I'm not sure if this behaviour is what's wanted.
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GiteaMirror commented 2026-05-13 07:44:15 -05:00
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@owui-terminator[bot] commented on GitHub (May 6, 2026):

🔍 Similar Issues Found

I found some existing issues that might be related. Please check if any of these are duplicates or contain helpful solutions:

  1. #23999 issue: Clicking on text in sys prompt scrolls to top of screen
    by frenzybiscuit · bug

  2. #24193 issue: System Prompt missing after reload
    by Scarjit · bug

  3. #23480 issue: "Save" button unresponsive when saving prompt with dynamic variables
    by daniporr · bug

  4. #23269 issue: Pyodide prompt injection constantly poisons the token cache (native tool calling)
    by arbv · bug

  5. #15589 feat: user prompt variables
    by tjbck

💡 If this is a duplicate, consider closing it and adding details to the existing issue.

This comment was generated automatically. React with 👍 if helpful, 👎 if not.

<!-- gh-comment-id:4387309404 --> @owui-terminator[bot] commented on GitHub (May 6, 2026): 🔍 **Similar Issues Found** I found some existing issues that might be related. Please check if any of these are duplicates or contain helpful solutions: 1. [#23999](https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/23999) **issue: Clicking on text in sys prompt scrolls to top of screen** *by frenzybiscuit · `bug`* 2. [#24193](https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/24193) **issue: System Prompt missing after reload** *by Scarjit · `bug`* 3. [#23480](https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/23480) **issue: "Save" button unresponsive when saving prompt with dynamic variables** *by daniporr · `bug`* 4. [#23269](https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/23269) **issue: Pyodide prompt injection constantly poisons the token cache (native tool calling)** *by arbv · `bug`* 5. [#15589](https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui/issues/15589) **feat: user prompt variables** *by tjbck* --- 💡 If this is a duplicate, consider closing it and adding details to the existing issue. *This comment was generated automatically.* React with 👍 if helpful, 👎 if not.
GiteaMirror commented 2026-05-13 07:44:16 -05:00
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@Classic298 commented on GitHub (May 6, 2026):

its intended that the values are recalculated on every request. changing that would break many users and deployments that require these variables to be resolved on a per-request basis everytime. Also it would require refactoring parts of the chat management to store any of the built in variables permanently on a per chat basis.

So this is not a bug but intended behaviour. You can use a filter to handle this wanted logic.

NAB - needs discussion if a feature for this is actually warranted, but probably not. Should rather be handled through a filter that dynamically detects the creation date of a chat from the database and then injects that date into the system prompt for example and since it's always the creation date it stays static

<!-- gh-comment-id:4387329349 --> @Classic298 commented on GitHub (May 6, 2026): its intended that the values are recalculated on every request. changing that would break many users and deployments that require these variables to be resolved on a per-request basis everytime. Also it would require refactoring parts of the chat management to store any of the built in variables permanently on a per chat basis. So this is not a bug but intended behaviour. You can use a filter to handle this wanted logic. NAB - needs discussion if a feature for this is actually warranted, but probably not. Should rather be handled through a filter that dynamically detects the creation date of a chat from the database and then injects that date into the system prompt for example and since it's always the creation date it stays static
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