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[GH-ISSUE #15866] qwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4 model file has corrupted K-projection weights (layers 0-1 entirely zero), making linear attention output zero #72171
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Originally created by @andreinknv on GitHub (Apr 28, 2026).
Original GitHub issue: https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/15866
qwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4model file has corrupted K-projection weights for early linear-attention layersWhat is the issue?
The NVFP4 packaging of
qwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4shipped fromregistry.ollama.ai/library/qwen3.6has the K-projection portion oflinear_attn.in_proj_qkv.weightentirely zeroed out for layer 0 and mostly zeroed for layer 1 — making coherent generation impossible regardless of any runner-side fix.This is a model-packaging issue, not a runtime bug. The
mlx-community/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-4bitmodel (same architecture, same source weights, MLX 4-bit affine quant instead of NVFP4) has the expected natural sparsity (3-5%) in the same regions.Reproducer
The
linear_attn.in_proj_qkv.weighttensor is laid out per HF transformers as[Q rows 0..2047 | K rows 2048..4095 | V rows 4096..8191]. A direct read of the safetensors blob shows:For comparison, on
mlx-community/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-4bit(4-bit affine, same architecture):The mlx-community model generates coherent text via
mlx-lm generate(top next token for "What is 2+2?" → "Here", correctly leading into a thinking trace). The Ollama NVFP4 model cannot generate coherent text under any code fix because layers 0 and 1 of the linear-attention path produce K=0 → linear attention output = 0 → the residual stream loses the entire linear-attention contribution from those layers.Verification commands
Likely cause
The conversion from BF16 (or the source FP8/BF16 RedHatAI NVFP4) to Ollama's NVFP4 packaging picked a global scale per tensor that was too large to represent the small magnitudes in early-layer K projections — they all rounded to the FP4 zero codepoint.
For verification: the scales tensor for
in_proj_qkvis non-zero across all rows (max-row-abs ≈ 1144 on K rows for layer 0), but the underlying FP4 nibbles are all zero, so dequantization yields zero regardless of the (non-zero) scale. That fingerprint matches "small-magnitude rows quantized below FP4 representable range" rather than "block of weights deleted in I/O".Suggested fixes
mxfp8and other variants in the library (qwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-mxfp8,qwen3.6:35b-a3b-nvfp4,qwen3.6:27b-coding-nvfp4).mlp.gateandmlp.shared_expert_gateget an 8-bit override) — applying an 8-bit override (or skipping quant entirely) tolinear_attn.in_proj_qkvwould avoid the zero-collapse.Related
gated_delta_step(the kernel cast state toInTinstead ofStT). With only that fix and without this corruption, the model reaches the sampler but the very first decode step gets wrong logits because layer-0 linear attention contributes zero. Together, both issues explain the "broken Qwen3.6 NVFP4 generation on Ollama".mlx-lm, demonstrating the architecture is otherwise sound.Environment
registry.ollama.ai/library/qwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4(digestsha256:cd2692a833e6...)@andreinknv commented on GitHub (Apr 28, 2026):
Confirmed the corruption is introduced by Ollama's repackaging, not in the upstream source.
RedHatAI/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-NVFP4(the likely upstream source) keeps alllinear_attn.*weights in BF16, with only the bulk MoE expert weights in NVFP4 (a mixed-precision approach):A direct HTTP-range fetch of just the K-region (rows 2048-4095) from RedHat's
model.safetensorsconfirms the source weights are fully populated:Compare to Ollama's repackaged tensor (
registry.ollama.ai/library/qwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4):The values RedHat keeps in BF16 are typical small attention-projection magnitudes (~0.01-0.04). When NVFP4-quantized at group_size=16, those magnitudes fall below the smallest representable codepoint and round to zero across whole rows.
Conclusion: Ollama's NVFP4 packaging tool is quantizing tensors that should remain BF16 (or at minimum should use a higher-bit override, mirroring how
mlp.gatealready gets an 8-bit override). The fix is to mirror RedHat's mixed-precision recipe — keeplinear_attn.*projections in BF16, NVFP4 only the MoE expert weights.This affects every Qwen3.6/3.5 35B-A3B
*-nvfp4tag in the official library; same check should be re-run on27b-coding-nvfp4,35b-a3b-nvfp4(non-coding), and27b-nvfp4.In the meantime, users on Apple Silicon can route around this by running
mlx-community/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-4bitviamlx-lm generatedirectly — that quant uses MLX 4-bit affine with group_size=64 and produces coherent output (verified: top next token for "What is 2+2?" isHere, leading into a thinking trace).@andreinknv commented on GitHub (Apr 28, 2026):
Working around it on Apple Silicon today
For anyone hitting this and wanting a working setup right now, the same model architecture is available pre-packaged on Hugging Face as
mlx-community/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-4bit(4-bit affine, group_size 64). Running it throughmlx-lmdirectly produces coherent output for both reasoning and coding prompts.Verified on M4 Max / 36 GB / macOS 26.4.1:
Setup (one-time, ~5 min)
Daily-driver wrapper
This leaves your Ollama install untouched — switch back any time with
brew services start ollama.Notes
unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-MLX-8bit) weighs ~37.7 GB on disk and won't fit once OS + KV cache + activations are accounted for.codingtag: there's no separateQwen3.6-Coderweights on Hugging Face — the baseQwen3.6-35B-A3Bdoes coding well on its own.linear_attn.*projections in higher precision (BF16) and only quantize the bulk MoE expert weights, which avoids the magnitudes-too-small-for-FP4 case.@andreinknv commented on GitHub (Apr 29, 2026):
Update: the working
mlx-communitymodel can also run inside Ollama (with #15865 + a small cache fix)Following up on the workaround above — for anyone who'd rather stay inside Ollama, importing
mlx-community/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-4bitviaollama create --experimentalworks if the local build also includes a small follow-up to #15865 (RecurrentCacheensure split — see my comment on #15865). Without that follow-up, the dtype change in #15865 silently zeros the cache between every step and you get the same gibberish that this issue describes for the NVFP4 build, so I missed the path the first time around.End-to-end import + run on M4 Max / 36 GB:
Verified throughput: ~110 tok/s (essentially identical to running the same checkpoint via
mlx-lmdirectly, ~112 tok/s).This is independent of the NVFP4 packaging fix this issue tracks — once the upstream NVFP4 tag is re-quantized with the mixed-precision recipe (skip
linear_attn.*), the patched build should makeqwen3.6:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4work too without needing the import dance.@andreinknv commented on GitHub (Apr 29, 2026):
PR for the related precision/cache fix is up at #15870 — independent of the NVFP4 packaging issue this report tracks, but applying it is a prerequisite for the working
mlx-communityimport path described in my earlier comment to actually run end-to-end.@ArkaD171717 commented on GitHub (Apr 30, 2026):
Wrote PR: #15902