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Originally created by @phly95 on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024).
Original GitHub issue: https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/6338
Originally assigned to: @dhiltgen on GitHub.
What is the issue?
When using the llm benchmark with ollama https://github.com/MinhNgyuen/llm-benchmark , I get around 80 t/s with gemma 2 2b. When asking the same questions to llama.cpp in conversation mode, I get 130 t/s. The llama.cpp command I'm running is ".\llama-cli -m gemma-2-2b-it-Q4_K_M.gguf --threads 16 -ngl 27 --mlock --port 11484 --top_k 40 --repeat_penalty 1.1 --min_p 0.05 --top_p 0.95 --prompt-cache-all -cb -np 4 --batch-size 512 -cnv"
Is there a reason that ollama is ~38% slower than llama.cpp here?
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@rick-github commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
Server logs will aid in debugging.
@phly95 commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
@phly95 commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
In case it helps, here's the llama.cpp output:
@phly95 commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
One thing I noticed (with the help of an llm) is that llama.cpp shows fma = 1 while ollama shows it as 0.
@phly95 commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
I also do not see a CUDA 12 runner in AppData\Local\Programs\Ollama\ollama_runners , which may also contribute to the slowdown.
@phly95 commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/4958 seems like a CUDA 12 backend has been added in a fork, it's just not merged into upstream yet.
@rick-github commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
It's quite possible that the difference in build environment can be an effect. Note however that you are not comparing the same model: llama.cpp is using gemma-2-2b-it-Q4_K_M.gguf and ollama is using gemma2:2b-instruct-q4_0. Notably, the tensor mix and model size are different.
gemma2:2b-instruct-q4_0
gemma-2-2b-it-Q4_K_M.gguf
If you want to exclude this as a cause, you can try running llama.cpp with the ollama model (not that I expect it to make a significant difference, but apples to apples):
@dhiltgen commented on GitHub (Aug 13, 2024):
@phly95 I tried a custom build with cuda v12 and adjusted the cmake flags to match what you have in your llama.cpp
system infobut I'm not seeing a significant performance difference. Could you share more details about how you build llama.cpp?@mxmp210 commented on GitHub (Aug 23, 2024):
There's one more difference between the two where ollama version is detecting 8/16 threads and llama.cpp is showing 16/16 threads. Can you confirm your CPU has full 16 cores and no SMT? - llama.cpp has merged code to address this under windows but upstream is still waiting on the update.
@dhiltgen commented on GitHub (Oct 22, 2024):
We've improved the default thread algorithm recently, which may help. We also weren't compiling explicitly for CC 8.6 for windows which could also be contributing to performance issues.
@phly95 can you try out the latest 0.4.0 RC build and see if that closes the performance gap on your system?
https://github.com/ollama/ollama/releases
@pdevine commented on GitHub (Jan 15, 2025):
I'm going to go ahead and close this since there hasn't been any update for a while.