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[GH-ISSUE #3971] [Bug]: Budget goal "#template up to" does not always remove extra funds #8608
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Originally created by @Arnoud-B on GitHub (Dec 12, 2024).
Original GitHub issue: https://github.com/actualbudget/actual/issues/3971
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When applying a budget template
#template up to 0, it does not always remove extra funds.In the sample budget, it removes the money spent in December, but not in November.
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@youngcw commented on GitHub (Dec 14, 2024):
I looked into this. Its essentially the same thing as the other issue. An up to template doesn't consider spending when setting the budget value.
So what you are seeing in that example budget is that in November the rollover from the previous month was 0, so when you run "up to 0" its already at zero since leftover(0)+budgeted(0)=0 so the template is met. The "spend" then comes after getting the balance to 50.
For December its removing 50, not from December, but the leftover from November. So its seeing leftover(50)+budgeted(-50)=0. Then after that there is the $50 "spend" that leaves the balance at 50 even after the -50 budgeted amount.
If you run the template for January, it removes the last 50 and the balance is at 0 again.
@Arnoud-B commented on GitHub (Dec 14, 2024):
I'm finding it hard to follow the new logic. The current behavior seems to differ from the documentation:
The documentation refers to "extra funds", which seems to correspond to the category balance in the app (as there is no impact on "Available Funds"). When applying the template to a specific month, I'd expect it to adjust that month's category balance to 0 (like in the example where the category balance reaches 50). The goal is to immediately allocate available money to envelopes. Leaving category balances unused until next month doesn't seem to align with zero-based budgeting principles.
Could you clarify the reasoning behind this change?
@youngcw commented on GitHub (Dec 14, 2024):
Like I mentioned in the other ticket, the templates should always attempt the same thing no matter when they are run in the month. In other words, the templates act as if they are run on the first of the month when there aren't any transactions. So the only balance available at the start of the month is what was carried over from the previous month.
The intended workflow for templates is that they get run at or near the first of the month to set up the budget initially, and for future months. Then after the initial month start further changes are manual as the month goes along.
The other flow that works is if someone is paycheck to paycheck they can use priorities to continuously fill in their categories in the current month as money is available.
You may be more interested in the cleanup templates if you want to be removing funds through the month. I could see those being extended to be more flexible as well, but they don't come up very often.
@Arnoud-B commented on GitHub (Dec 14, 2024):
I've been experimenting a bit with the cleanup templates (this was new to me), and they may be able to do the job together with the assumption to start each month fresh. It's a different approach, but it makes sense. Thanks!